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Re: Controversial

Post by krstnvnc on September 10th 2010, 12:21 am

Interesting reading, & as with everything in the bible you can pick & choose areas to meet your needs. I believe that it is a GIFT unto God, to gift him the first spoils out of my love FOR HIM & for what it is going for. Working for a Church I can honestly say that "some" probably most ARE operating in the sense for what the monies/sustinance is to be used for. Spreading the word, being the hands & feet (blessing to others, as you should know THIS is a huge part of MY heart) to make sure that it is not done for gratification & to "Profit" by any means. Every cent that comes into the Church is spent on increasing Gods Kingdom, spreading the word, helping those in need, searching for the lost. I'm amazed at how many hands go up in a service & we have 4 on every Sunday for those that are taking the first step. It is beautiful to see these people & to meet them & see the hunger grow in them as they begin their journey. Yes, not all continue but seeds are planted & one day they will take root, it may not be at our house but at another.

We do not preach on tithing as a sacramental part of your walk, it is something that is between YOU & GOD. I gift accordinly to MY relationship, it is in MANY areas not just monetary, as if one witnesses my life & "time" I do God MORE than I do life if you were to break down the # of hrs in a day, a week, a month, & a year & it's NOT a religious timing that I walk in, it's a lifestyle that I take on. Is there flesh in me certainly for I am but of man & man is fallen there is no undoing that.

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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on September 10th 2010, 12:37 am

I hate this crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42Yd_NKcFA&feature=grec_index
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Post by krstnvnc on September 10th 2010, 12:55 am

I agree Shawna. You see there BOTH sides of the idiots that are out there that take it to the extreme. That movement is nothing but HATE & God is NOT a God of Hate, he is one of love. It really saddens me that people will go thru life with that weight on THEIR shoulders & carry that with them thru out their days. What an awful way to go thru life with those emotions taking control of you. They are like brain washing themselves I just don't get it.

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Post by krstnvnc on September 10th 2010, 1:12 am

BTW HI. U notice I actually have a bit of time tonight. I actually left work at 5:40 (went in at 6:40) almost another 12 hr day, but decided that I needed to walk away from it for a night, We have an event tomorrow, Mega Prayer Night where that's what the service is on, total prayer which is awesome, it's worship & prayer, when you are in a room with that & over 500 people doing just that you can't help but feel God move. I know you don't believe & would probably see it as a waste of time but to me it is better than a dinner & a movie to fellowship with a group that you basically are an extended family meeting, with total love in the air & great worship music to hear, it's a family concert kinda kewl. One may come in dragging their feet tired & exhausted but you leave revived & brought back to life & weights lifted that you didn't even realize you were carrying, it's undescribable, like I said I really wish that you could come & experience life as I live it & feel the peace & connections that keep me doing what I do, if you could take my heart & have a transplant & then give it back I'd really like to see how you would process it, whether it would be enjoyable or not & if not after trying it along side to get a perspective base discuss why not. Now that would be some controversy. If each one of us could do life with another & get to be them with them along side I wonder how lives would be changed. Interesting thought.

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Yahweh's Amazing Miracle

Post by shanaya on October 15th 2010, 8:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrX__ILDd3w
A simple-but-effective animated short, Yahweh's Amazing Miracle, from an Australian athiest known as "NonStampCollector", who presents the absurdity of religious claims with a sharp wit through the medium of MS Paint.
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Re: Controversial

Post by Bill S on October 16th 2010, 6:53 pm

I'm not an avid reader of the bible and it's not because I disagree with the concept,I have a problem of logic.
Why would God create this world, man etc. what's in it for God? he knows the outcome,
everything that man thinks about or will ever think about. Was God thinking one more
step and Lot's wife will turn and look toward Sodom becoming a pillar of salt.
God would have known that Adam and Eve were going to eat from the tree of knowledge
of good and evil even before he warned Adam.Who in this world could heed a warning,
"Here's a key to that door but never open it.



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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on November 8th 2010, 11:26 pm

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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on November 8th 2010, 11:29 pm

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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on November 8th 2010, 11:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIbtLwWMkXI&NR=1
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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on February 2nd 2011, 12:15 am

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Re: Controversial

Post by budozero on March 1st 2011, 8:39 am

I didn't want to contribute to this thread because it may offend some of you, but this is my view on the subject, you don't have to accept it Wink

Faith to me is what holds mankind back, faith stunts learning and growth and perpetuates second hand experiences. Religion, spirituality, superstition, call it what you want, its still nonsense. I don't think this, its not an idea of mine, its a FACT!

A God doesn't explain anything, God puts us in the darkness. The more religious a country is, the more religion is involved in the politics of a country, the more backwards it is with a lower quality of life then in secular countries. I don't feel a need to give examples of this :p

The Bible offers no more answers then any other literature out there, actually all the bible has to offer is of literary value. Yes, it may make the very good and valid point that you shouldn't steal from your neighbor but it also condones murder, rape and incest.

I know not to steal from my neighbor, if by nothing else then the logic that if I steal from people, people steal from me. I learned the lesson myself. I can apply the same logic to murder, rape and incest. But if you learn from the Bible, you are discrediting yourself and your source if you pick and mix.

If people really thought about the nonsense the believed in, they would most likely drop it. But that's where FAITH does its trick, it halts the process of thinking completely.
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Re: Controversial

Post by baldwindeb on March 1st 2011, 1:17 pm

I dont believe the Bible to be the word of My God. I say My God as in meaning the God I believe in. I believe it to be a reference of how we should live, as in Jesus life.To me it is a compilation of stories from the people at the time it was written. Do I need someone to tell me how to live? Yes, especially when I was very young . Imagine a world where no one was told right from wrong. I believe in a heaven with God and all those that past before us. I dont want to live my life believing this is it, that there is nothing after our body stops working. I personally know there is a force greater than me. I have experienced personally.
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Re: Controversial

Post by shanaya on March 2nd 2011, 12:25 am

For me, I am not worried about what will happen after I die. I live in the now and will live on in other people's memories. To me that is what heaven is. Being remembered. What is so wrong in knowing you won't go to a physical heaven when you die? Do you think life now wouldn't be worth living? You learn right from wrong by common sense. If you kill, you won't last long as others would not tolerate it. Moralistic Human behavior can be learned without religion being involved. I am very happy with my family and friends without the idea of there being a god but it makes me shake my head sometimes when they praise GOD for their lives when they should be thanking themselves, or the doctors that perform the needed surgeries, or just their inner strength and that will to survive. We as a human species need standards in order to continue thriving or we will die off and another species will prevail. Common sense.
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